I won the lottery at 22, here’s what happened next
Interview by Will Chalk
19 November 2019
“I got back in the truck, drove to a lay-by and scratched it off. There and then I won a million pounds.”
Jamie Heavens, who’s a roofer from Bournemouth, got lucky on a National Lottery scratchcard when he was 22.
And if you – or any of your mates – wouldn’t want to be in his shoes, you’re lying.
But then there’s deciding what to spend it on – picking which mates would get some and which ones you’d have to disappoint.
Not to mention all those very real horror stories from people who say getting rich that quick didn’t make them happy, it ruined their lives.
So what’s it actually like winning big? And is it worth it?
On the 25th anniversary of the first ever National Lottery, we gave Jamie a ring to find out.
“I was on my way to work and my uncle asked me to fill up the truck with some fuel,” says Jamie, who’s memorised most of the tiny details of that day.
“The first petrol station wasn’t accepting fuel cards, so then I moved on to the next one.
“I got into the queue, realised I’d picked up the wrong flavour Lucozade, went back and picked a different one – and then the guy in front bought the same scratchcard as me.”
A few minutes later, Jamie had that “guy in front” to thank for the fact he held a winning card in his hand.
“I didn’t believe it at first. I scratched off the numbers and it said I’d won a million quid. I think the only other time I’ve felt more wowed was when my son was born.”
But he had a decision to make.
“I couldn’t ring the National Lottery because the phone lines don’t open until nine, so I thought I’d go to work.
“Got to the job. No signal.”
It wasn’t until Jamie was on top of a roof that he got a signal, phoned the helpline and received the confirmation that he was a millionaire.
“It doesn’t really sink in until the money hits your account. There’s a sense of relief that you can go and do what you want to do.”
But after a couple of early extravagances (a car and a wedding), Jamie insists he’s been pretty sensible with his cash.
“People think I’m minted – that I’m cash rich and can just go and buy what I want every day. But it’s not like that.
“I’m living a comfortable life now. I’m running my own business, I’ve got my own family, but it’s not a case of if I want that ВЈ70,000 car, I’m just going to go out and spend it.
“I’m still money conscious about things. I live a normal day-to-day life, pay myself a normal wage and my wife goes to work two days a week.
“We bought a couple of properties, we don’t have a mortgage on them. Money makes you more comfortable but it shouldn’t change the way you live your life.”
Jamie “helped out” a few of his friends and family with some money.
Now 25, he admits things might have been different had he won more cash, but says he’s “lucky” his win doesn’t seem to have changed his relationship with his mates.
They still buy him rounds when they’re in the pub.
“I think people respect the fact that, yes I’ve come into a lot of money – but the guy’s still grafting hard.”
And, if you’re wondering, he still buys scratch cards.
“Yeah, yeah if someone buys one in front of me I’m straight on it.
“The wife keeps nagging me: ‘Stop spending money on the lottery because you’re not going to win it again.’
“I’m like hang on a minute you said that before and look where we are now!”It's 25 years since the first ever National Lottery – we speak to someone who's won it.
How $220M Changed A Lottery Winner
How $220M Changed A Lottery Winner
NPR’s Rachel Martin spoke with Brad Duke a few years ago about his $220 million lottery win in 2005 (you can read and listen to that interview below). We called him back this week because numbers for the biggest Powerball jackpot were drawn Saturday.
Lottery Winner Stays Grounded After $220 Million Jackpot
Lottery Winner Stays Grounded After $220 Million Jackpot
Lottery winner Brad Duke says he’s always been fascinated by the lottery, and even thought he won once before, when he was 18. Davies Moore/ hide caption
Lottery winner Brad Duke says he’s always been fascinated by the lottery, and even thought he won once before, when he was 18.
Each week, Weekend Edition Sunday host Rachel Martin brings listeners an unexpected side of the news by talking with someone personally affected by the stories making headlines.
In 2005, Brad Duke of Star, Idaho, hit a huge jackpot: $220 million in the Powerball lottery. It took a couple days, even a couple of weeks, for the magnitude of his win to hit. He didn’t tell anyone, and went about his daily routines while he tried to figure out what he wanted to do next.
As a regular lottery player, Duke had let himself fantasize about what it might be like to win thousands of dollars someday. As a cyclist, he’d always daydreamed about owning a high-end road bike and a high-end mountain bike, which his actual windfall would certainly cover.
I took the ticket in, let the gals behind the counter run the ticket through, and the machine made a bunch of weird noises and they started jumping up and down and jumping in circles. And I was trying to actually pluck the ticket out of their hand because my first instinct was just to kind of get out of there.
But Duke didn’t go on a spending spree. “I stayed in my house, I drove a used car for up to three years afterwards,” he tells NPR’s Rachel Martin. “The more I started to fantasize about what I could do with the money, the more I felt like I should try to keep my feet on the ground and change as little as I could.”
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BRAD DUKE: I had the ticket in a visor of a rental car at the time, and I had to stop and get fuel. I thought it would be a good time to check the tickets. So, I took the ticket in, let the gals behind the counter run the ticket through. And she made a bunch of weird noises and they started jumping up and down and jumping in circles, and I was trying to actually pluck the ticket out of their hand ’cause my first instinct was just to kind of get out of there.
RACHEL MARTIN, HOST:
This is Brad Duke, an exercise instructor from Star, Idaho. Duke won a $220 million Powerball jackpot in 2005. And as you might expect, life changed. Winning the lottery forced him to reevaluate his priorities, his expectations, even some relationships. We began by talking about the day he went out and bought that particular lottery ticket. Brad Duke is our Sunday Conversation.
DUKE: I thought maybe that I had won 10 or 20 thousand, but I didn’t confirm it. I went on with my day just daydreaming of what I could do with five, 10, 15, 20 thousand, whatever it may be.
MARTIN: So, that’s day one and it’s confirmed that you win. What happens a couple of days later when you wake up and the reality of this really starts to sink in?
DUKE: You know, it didn’t sink in for a couple of days, you know, probably a couple of weeks. I knew the first thing that I wanted to do was decide what I wanted to do with the money and where I wanted to go with this whole thing. So I didn’t tell anybody. I kept working. I continued with my daily routines. I made one phone call to my father and I told him – it’s a funny story – I said, dad, sit down and prepare for some life-changing news. And he says, oh, you’re getting married. And I said nope. And he goes, well, then you’re the guy that won the lottery.
DUKE: Yeah, true story, absolutely true story. And I said yeah. And he goes far out. I’ll be right down. So, you know, he came down and over the course of that couple of weeks, we kind of talked about what to do. I kept it under wraps for close to four or five weeks.
MARTIN: Wow. Wasn’t that hard? I mean, didn’t you kind of just want to tell everyone?
DUKE: Oh, it was fun. Oh, it was fun. It was fun fantasizing about being the guy and then realizing that you’re the guy and you have the reality-fantasy combination starting to come together. Turned out it was really important that I did do that because that did give me time to put together a team of people around me that were going to help me do what I wanted to do.
MARTIN: Yeah. Who were they? What did you need them to do for you?
DUKE: Well, in the process of setting goals, I wanted to grow the wealth, so obviously needed to have a really good tax attorney and a corporate business attorney. I knew that we were going to do some publicity to try and generate more opportunity, so I needed a publicist and a banker. And I still have that same team around me today.
MARTIN: So, you said you had done some daydreaming. You let yourself kind of fantasize about what it would be like to win $10,000, 20,000. What did those dreams look like and then how did they change when all of the sudden you were handed a check for millions of dollars?
DUKE: The thing that I was thinking about was kind of bike that I can buy. I’m into cycling, and one of my fantasies is just getting a really high-end road bike and a really high-end mountain bike.
MARTIN: Yeah, $220 million would do it.
DUKE: Yeah. And that really was the first thing that I did. I didn’t spend money. I stayed in my house, drove a used car for, you know, up to three years afterwards. The more I started to fantasize about what I could do with the money, the more I felt like I should try and keep my feet on the ground and change as little as I could.
MARTIN: Why did that occur to you?
DUKE: You know, I’m not sure. I’m a goal-oriented person. One of the goals that I had put out there for myself after this was try and make the most of this opportunity and not squander the gift that’s been given to me and try to grow it something I can leave behind, leave a legacy behind. And once I started to believe in that goal that I set for myself, kind of dictated some of my decisions.
MARTIN: So, did you quit your job?
DUKE: I did not. I continued on as long as I could. It was crazy. Everybody had the greatest ideas since sliced bread. I got proposals for time machines, flying cars, and eventually I had to quit ’cause it was disrupting the business. I continued to stay on and teach my morning spin class for about two and a half years after.
MARTIN: Did anyone in your life start treating you differently?
DUKE: Oh sure, yeah. Yeah, there’s definitely a preconceived notion, whether it’s good or bad, and that does change your surroundings. And, you know, for sure, when something like that amplifies everything around you.
MARTIN: Did you have to end any relationships because how your life changed with this money?
DUKE: You know, I’m pretty fortunate that way. I never had a serious casualty like that where I’ve had to end a relationship. I had some dating trouble, but that was expected.
MARTIN: You think it would be a boom for your dating life?
DUKE: Yeah, too much of a boom. But as far as loved ones and people that were in my life at the time, I have been pretty fortunate.
MARTIN: There has been, as you probably know, some terribly tragic stories over the years of lottery winners who kind of detached from reality and lose their friends, go bankrupt. How did you avoid all of that and what is your advice for future lottery winners?
DUKE: I knew the statistics. I knew six out of 10 people that won 10 million or less were bankrupt in less than five years. You know, so I knew the statistic and that’s one thing that I really wanted to not become. You know, the biggest piece of advice I can give somebody that gets put into that, you really have to define what’s important to you, and develop a plan around it and then get people to help you do what you’re not so good at doing as part of that plan.
MARTIN: You still have that mountain bike that you bought?
DUKE: Yeah. I have that mountain bike plus about another 10.
MARTIN: Good for you. Brad Duke. He won $220 million in a Powerball lottery eight years ago. Brad, thanks so much for talking with us.
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